if all of my apprentices and i have nagauls (our animal soul) and my apprentices nagaul appear to me as animals in this physical world and I see them… this means that 7 billion humans on the planet have naguals and thatthe animals that are dying in the gulf and everywhere are YOU. Since this is the DEEPEST part of your soul, it means your ‘soul animal self’ that roams this earth in the physical world, is dying on earth and that is the first of your many soul parts to die.
any true shaman can see this and should know all the physical and spirital benifits of all his/her surrounding plant life as well as knowing how to converse with spirits without their aid too
DeathShamans, I am also a shaman, a Pictish Shaman from Scotland that can trace my practice back further than 10 thousand years, I agree that through different forms of meditation and states of trance “dream state” that one can walk between worlds without drugs but I also know not to condem them either, herbs and plants are by no means new to this earth, they have been here longer than us and are here to heal and help us progress
Altai Turks 1. Yurt,Jurt-State.Turks old religion Shamanism.now Turkey live shaman mixed islam.not radikal islam.Turks region central asia (middle).there are Russia in now 10 autonom Turkic country exs
wow very much like hmong shamanism and we did live in Siberia but travel towards Asia and live in china then got our country stolen long ago during like 1500 to 2500 years ago but look up hmong people and our history…
Drugs are not part of the Spirit Realm of Dreams. Drugs interfere with Dreams and cause fearful illusions. Drugs brought about the downfall of the Aztecs because it weakened their ability to clearly focus on their Dreams and thus overcome the conquistadors. Dreams need no drugs. Dreams need only Love, Hope, and Joy. Truth brings renewal of Dreams and Hope as mankind moves through the 5 Lodges of Earth to return to the Spirit Realm of Dreams. Dare to Dream.
Except that some sources do date its use back that far: “The fly agaric may have been the earliest hallucinogenic substance used for religious or shamanic purposes, dating back possibly over 10,000 years.” –Ina Woolcott, “Fly Agaric, Amanita Muscaria, Magic Mushroom”
no drugs, herbs or plants are ever needed if you want it to be permanent, those are new to earth, but the primordial shamans like me go way back before the last 10,000 years and it is our animal soul and human spirit that can move beyond the limitation of drug shamanism
‘Amanita Muscaria’ The ‘spirits’ are still here, and they are mushrooms. The remains of this knowledge can be found by drying this mushroom and consuming it. Death to all priesthoods of power. The Soma belongs to all. Death to all priesthoods!
The scientists pinpointed the origin location to the Lake Baikal region, actually. Actually, Oppenheimer and Jones think the break occurred farther back–40 to 50 thousand years ago, but they don’t consider that a “long time” in evolutionary biology terms. Their point is that R1b pre-Celtic peoples descended from Siberian peoples (Kets/Deng, Shorians, Selkups, and ?) and additional research has been confirming their hypothesis. Why does this seem to trouble you?
Well, no, but I’ve read a lot of other peoples research. It is probably true, that the haplogroups originate from Central Asia (a place almost so big that such a general statement seem to approach the undefined) and that Q & R are somewhat related. It’s just that this relation lies very far back, as I wrote above. Haplogroup I people are much more closely related to haplogroup R people in Europe than either is to any non-European peoples, including R1a Indians.
You disagree with the timeframe?
You obviously haven’t read Jones’ research. Jones is not saying that Western Europeans are not related to each other–he’s saying that Western Europeans are descended from Central Asia, as are the Kets, so that they share some genes. For generations it was a mystery where Western Europeans originated from. He has provided genetic evidence. If you have alternative evidence, present it.
cont.
Anyway, the splt between Q & R may have happened as far back as 30,000 years ago or something in that range. Not a too significant relation, IMHO.
It should be noted, that it just does not correlate with the results of autosomal testing, which gives a fuller picture of how closely related people are. All European peoples are very closely related, but they’re not closely related to Siberians in general.
Weill, I don’t dissagree with him, probably, but the articles that claim that Irish or Welsh are especially related to Kets – when they’re actually related to other Euros, who are also R1*. There’s no certainty about the place of origin.
I did some searching and just read that Q people are the most closely related to R (including to r1b), so it sounds like you are only confirming what Steve Jones found. Where do you disagree with him?
Bessings to you matosapa. I am too modern and rationalistic to be truly shamanic, unfortunately, but I appreciate your sentiments and recognize that shamanism is a healthier form of spiritualism than many of today’s religions. We need to return to many of the lessons of ancient shamanism to survive in this world today, I think.
Please cite your sources. I am open to whatever the facts are and don’t care whether I have Kets or Celtic relatives, as both are good I think the ways of all ancient peoples are similar in many ways and there is no need for antagonism. BTW, I am of Irish, not Welsh background, but I wish only good to the Welsh people as well. The important thing is not to destroy ANY ancient culture, so that we may learn from them what the core essence of human-ness is.
Really? Scots, Irish, Basque, and ENGLISH are majorily R1b, and it means nothing. It’s the most common haplogroup in all of Western Europe, south to north. Kets are mostly Q, which the others definitely aren’t, even though some of them are, it’s just a very small minority.Remember, he also claims that those people aren’t Celtic, how about that?. And Q is more common in Norway and Iceland, than it is in Wales anyway – are they “Siberians” too?
if all of my apprentices and i have nagauls (our animal soul) and my apprentices nagaul appear to me as animals in this physical world and I see them… this means that 7 billion humans on the planet have naguals and thatthe animals that are dying in the gulf and everywhere are YOU. Since this is the DEEPEST part of your soul, it means your ‘soul animal self’ that roams this earth in the physical world, is dying on earth and that is the first of your many soul parts to die.
do what Native American Church does. if they can mix ancient beliefs with Catholic ways, you can mix youre ways with Orthodoxy!
@magicgibbon69 I so agree with what you just said about the meditations though i know nothing and never done meditations.
I like this vid and i agree with everything he said…how can one become a shaman for i have become interest in it for the last two years?
any true shaman can see this and should know all the physical and spirital benifits of all his/her surrounding plant life as well as knowing how to converse with spirits without their aid too
DeathShamans, I am also a shaman, a Pictish Shaman from Scotland that can trace my practice back further than 10 thousand years, I agree that through different forms of meditation and states of trance “dream state” that one can walk between worlds without drugs but I also know not to condem them either, herbs and plants are by no means new to this earth, they have been here longer than us and are here to heal and help us progress
Altai Turks 1. Yurt,Jurt-State.Turks old religion Shamanism.now Turkey live shaman mixed islam.not radikal islam.Turks region central asia (middle).there are Russia in now 10 autonom Turkic country exs
Esta é uma verdade absoluta !!!
O homem evoluido sera o homem capaz de sentir e nao de ter !!!
wow very much like hmong shamanism and we did live in Siberia but travel towards Asia and live in china then got our country stolen long ago during like 1500 to 2500 years ago but look up hmong people and our history…
Drugs are not part of the Spirit Realm of Dreams. Drugs interfere with Dreams and cause fearful illusions. Drugs brought about the downfall of the Aztecs because it weakened their ability to clearly focus on their Dreams and thus overcome the conquistadors. Dreams need no drugs. Dreams need only Love, Hope, and Joy. Truth brings renewal of Dreams and Hope as mankind moves through the 5 Lodges of Earth to return to the Spirit Realm of Dreams. Dare to Dream.
Except that some sources do date its use back that far: “The fly agaric may have been the earliest hallucinogenic substance used for religious or shamanic purposes, dating back possibly over 10,000 years.” –Ina Woolcott, “Fly Agaric, Amanita Muscaria, Magic Mushroom”
no drugs, herbs or plants are ever needed if you want it to be permanent, those are new to earth, but the primordial shamans like me go way back before the last 10,000 years and it is our animal soul and human spirit that can move beyond the limitation of drug shamanism
the shaman is not the teacher but a guid
plants are the teachers and has shamans we must teach and understand about plants and herbs
‘Amanita Muscaria’ The ‘spirits’ are still here, and they are mushrooms. The remains of this knowledge can be found by drying this mushroom and consuming it. Death to all priesthoods of power. The Soma belongs to all. Death to all priesthoods!
The scientists pinpointed the origin location to the Lake Baikal region, actually. Actually, Oppenheimer and Jones think the break occurred farther back–40 to 50 thousand years ago, but they don’t consider that a “long time” in evolutionary biology terms. Their point is that R1b pre-Celtic peoples descended from Siberian peoples (Kets/Deng, Shorians, Selkups, and ?) and additional research has been confirming their hypothesis. Why does this seem to trouble you?
Well, no, but I’ve read a lot of other peoples research. It is probably true, that the haplogroups originate from Central Asia (a place almost so big that such a general statement seem to approach the undefined) and that Q & R are somewhat related. It’s just that this relation lies very far back, as I wrote above. Haplogroup I people are much more closely related to haplogroup R people in Europe than either is to any non-European peoples, including R1a Indians.
You disagree with the timeframe?
You obviously haven’t read Jones’ research. Jones is not saying that Western Europeans are not related to each other–he’s saying that Western Europeans are descended from Central Asia, as are the Kets, so that they share some genes. For generations it was a mystery where Western Europeans originated from. He has provided genetic evidence. If you have alternative evidence, present it.
cont.
Anyway, the splt between Q & R may have happened as far back as 30,000 years ago or something in that range. Not a too significant relation, IMHO.
It should be noted, that it just does not correlate with the results of autosomal testing, which gives a fuller picture of how closely related people are. All European peoples are very closely related, but they’re not closely related to Siberians in general.
Weill, I don’t dissagree with him, probably, but the articles that claim that Irish or Welsh are especially related to Kets – when they’re actually related to other Euros, who are also R1*. There’s no certainty about the place of origin.
I did some searching and just read that Q people are the most closely related to R (including to r1b), so it sounds like you are only confirming what Steve Jones found. Where do you disagree with him?
Bessings to you matosapa. I am too modern and rationalistic to be truly shamanic, unfortunately, but I appreciate your sentiments and recognize that shamanism is a healthier form of spiritualism than many of today’s religions. We need to return to many of the lessons of ancient shamanism to survive in this world today, I think.
Please cite your sources. I am open to whatever the facts are and don’t care whether I have Kets or Celtic relatives, as both are good I think the ways of all ancient peoples are similar in many ways and there is no need for antagonism. BTW, I am of Irish, not Welsh background, but I wish only good to the Welsh people as well. The important thing is not to destroy ANY ancient culture, so that we may learn from them what the core essence of human-ness is.
Really? Scots, Irish, Basque, and ENGLISH are majorily R1b, and it means nothing. It’s the most common haplogroup in all of Western Europe, south to north. Kets are mostly Q, which the others definitely aren’t, even though some of them are, it’s just a very small minority.Remember, he also claims that those people aren’t Celtic, how about that?. And Q is more common in Norway and Iceland, than it is in Wales anyway – are they “Siberians” too?
That is my teacher