Is this Logical proof of God? Please read ALL, If you don’t agree with the premise push through?
Question by †.†.†: Is this Logical proof of God? Please read ALL, If you don’t agree with the premise push through?
Please point out logical flaws!
Let’s pose the following, very scientific question, and make simple observations: What of that which is internal of any system in the observable universe has not come from an external source? For example: of everything internal of you, a rock, the world, the solar system, the galaxy, possibly the universe, what has not come from a source outside of itself? Inherently you came from your parents, the rock was formed in the world, the world with the solar system, the solar system in the universe, and the universe in? Physical quantities or existences need external sources to exist. Now, if the original Source cannot be found directly internal of any physical system in the known universe it must then by process of elimination be external, which all sources are, and non-physical. Well what of God, where did He (She… God transcends gender) come from?
God (the Source) by definition is outside of our range of physical observation as an external and non-physical or metaphysical being. However, the physical universe is observable, but, to induce, assume, and then apply the assumed physical properties to a metaphysical existence, unless those properties are made evident, is illogical. It’s the equivalent of claiming because we have sat in one chair we have sat in all chairs; or to say we can view the earth from space before the invention an actual vehicle in which to do so. This is not to say a means of observation cannot be created or to eliminate induction. Nor to say the Source is un-testable or its presence unobservable. It is simply to say properties in the natural physical universe cannot be applied directly to God unless God makes those properties evidently applicable. You ask, which God, or what about pink unicorns, flying spaghetti monsters, or orbital teapots, are they not just as feasible as God(s)?
Now we have to define God and dismiss any opposing illogical entities according to the former. If all things originated with the Source we would include all knowledge, authority, power, good, possibly evil, and quite literally everything. Ergo, we can conclude, God is all knowing and all powerful. We make this conclusion because power, knowledge, and authority go through a process of diffusion moving from states of higher concentration to lower concentration. That being understood we can conclude the Source is active and present throughout the universe as the pursuit of knowledge is active in nature. We can also conclude it is active and present as to supply power to all subsets. By that I mean; a building if not actively connected to a power grid is rendered inoperable (this is excluding backup generators however the same principle applies). This of course excludes the possibility of a self sustaining universe which according to our current knowledge of thermodynamics is improbable and technically impossible. (Side note: if the exclusion of particular governing principles (thermodynamics, Newtonian physics, quantum physics) or the addition of unobservable qualities/quantities (gravitons, dark matter, dark energy) are included in a model without objective, consistent mathematical proof the possibilities are infinite. This of course has its own logical fallacies.) Excluding those models as it would defy our understanding of the universe in its entirety we can in fact logically conclude the existence of a “Prime Source”. If God is ever-present and all powerful why doesn’t he stop evil? Furthermore, if everything came from God… did he create evil?
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@Gazoo
Anomalies or emergent properties can be accounted for via quantum entanglement and the observer affect!
@Teh_Lulz
To say quantum physics is random is speculative at best.
@Sam
At (and before) the Big Bang natural law as we understand it would break down! – S. Hawking
In both a secular and theistic worldview natural law does not apply to any existence the presupposes the Big Band!
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“Furthermore, if everything came from God… did he create evil?”
Giving people free will, and then them choosing to do evil is their fault. Not Gods.
A person buys a gun, goes home and shoots his wife. Is it the firearms salesman’s fault? No. Thats just stupid.
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The premise is crap. Go read a bit about quantum foam. Stuff just pops in and out of existence with no cause at all.
There is no reason to go on, since you start right off with something that isn’t even true.
You cannot prove/disprove God…only he can reveal himself to whoever he will; he is beyond your logic and intellect
God is
God created
God loves
This is not proof of god, because the existence of a god is one of the premises. Take away that premise, and the rest is not worth much.
First quantum physics has no cause.
Second an Multi-verse infinitely large could exist and we could be a branch off of it.
Third God (if he exists) has no evidence that can’t supplemented by things that are not supernatural.
So it is an argument and well constructed but does not prove god nor convict me.
Ok, I read all ot that to find your question. First, God did not create evil. When man-kind was first placed above all of the Angels in Heaven Lucifer (Satan) and 1/3 of the Angels revolted against God. They believed they should be above humans. When God cast Lucifer and the Angels from Heaven God created Hell for them as a place to dwell until the final judgment. Lucifer let evil out onto Earth. God did not create evil, Lucifer did.
Isa 45:7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.
One either believes this verse or or not.
The universe is the collection of all things that exist. It is not just another type of thing itself. If you took away all the existent items that are within the universe, you wouldn’t have anything left. “Universe” is just a convenient term to talk about all individual things.
For a good analogy, consider that there’s no such thing as a “crowd.” It is merely a collection of people. If you took away all of the people constituting it, you wouldn’t have anything left. “Crowd” is just a convenient term to talk about a large group of individual people.
Thank you. I however do not require God to be defined because I know Him. I do not need for Him to be quantified for He has been revealed.
Everything in the universe is made simply by rearranging the things (matter and energy) that are already in the universe. No external source is required.
If the energy from which the universe and everything in it arose (remember, matter and energy are interchangeable) has always existed, then there never was an external source. The energy could have been rearranged billions upon billions of times, over and over again — no source needed.
Also, even if you could demonstrate by evidence (which you can’t) that an external source *was* needed, with no evidence of any kind to show what that source is/was, there’s no reason to arbitrarily label it “god” — or to assume (again, without evidence) that it’s YOUR god. The supposed “external source” could be entirely natural — without evidence to show what the source is, you can’t make any valid claims about it. You’re just assuming (without evidence) that it’s your particular god.
The “prime source,” “prime mover,” “first cause,” etc. arguments (all just minor variations on the same claim) are all illogical and worthless. This one included.
Peace.
There’s a single contradiction in your argument that makes nearly the entire proposition impossible.
First of all, You need to review the law of non contradictions. Basically, 2 opposing statements cannot both be true at the same time and in the same situation. For example, if you have:
Statement A: The clock is brown.
Statement B: The clock is green.
These two statements cannot both be true in the same situation, or the same time. Now, if you painted the clock to have both green and brown stripes they would be true; however, that would be a different situation (the clock is green in this stripe, and brown in that stripe. those are two separate situations.)
Now, to show where you violated this:
Statement A: (paraphrased) Everything comes from an external source.
Statement B: (paraphrased) God is this external source, and therefore could not have been created by something else.
Either it is possible for something to come from nothing, or God cannot exist (for that which created everything cannot have anything that created it, or that thing is not God.). Therefore, either your premise that everything needs an outside source is wrong, or the existence of God is a non possibility.
Sorry, good try though. The existence of God is impossible for a living person to prove or disprove. We’ll all find out when we die though.