Question by Orion’s sock puppet 02: Pagans: will you provide me with some serious feedback with your need to respect the beliefs of others in mind
This will apply more to those who have known me for a while.
In my previous question, Kallan said (in part):
“… The biggest problem is in trying to convince christians who believe that they are “in this world but not of this world” and that “Jesus will come back and fix all of the problems” so they have no responsibility to it. …”
I’m in absolute agreement with this statement (and I acknowledge that there are exceptions, but not enough).
The tipping point for global warming is a lot closer than most people suspect. Melt the arctic permafrost and that’s it, game over. We’ll be lucky if we have 50 years before that happens.
In other words, I’m not so keen on respecting beliefs that are leading to the death of life on this planet.
And I’ve over 500 questions challenging christians about their beliefs to get them pointed in the right direction (with very little success, I might add).
What say you?
Best answer:
Answer by Gandalf
I salute you for continuing the fight for free thought in an ocean of insanity.
What do you think? Answer below!
The bible speaks of disasters and divers places. It says no where in the bible that the world will be destroyed by global warming. This earth is not going anywhere. The bible says that Jesus feet will touch the mount of olives and there will be people alive when that happens. So if the bible says that how can the earth be destroyed by glodbal warming. Its nonsense.
I do not understand how anyone can walk around and say A) Prove global warming is happening, B) Prove human kind is responsible for it, and C) It’s not as bad as anyone makes it out to be. How can some humans really be that blind? How can they just not care, and why don’t they let us in on all the technology we know they have? Why would they rather keep us dependent and kill the planet? It makes me want to cry and commit murder in the same heartbeat.
Probably not what you were hoping for, but there it is just the same.
I think the previous poster sort of proves my point, no?
I accept all POSITIVE paths as valid.. I do not accept those that are exclusive, hateful, destructive and irresponsible.
’nuff said.
I think “truth & righteouness” just proved your point. I do not have any children, but I would think that the others might have some concern for theirs. If we don’t take care of the planet, it is doomed. I don’t care what the bible says, IF they had been aware of the possiblities they might have mentioned it, but the biblical “world” was limited in it’s geographical area. They were not even aware of glaciers let alone polar ice caps.
addendum; here we go again! gabuyt, what does your “witnessing” have to do with the question? Why can’t people just answer a question without giving a biblical history lesson or a personal experience about being saved?
I want to share some information with you. Maybe you’ll read something you didn’t know, thank you for you time.
There’s a multitude of proof of God’s existance. Ask the archeologists, go to Jerusalem and see for yourself.
Go to Mt Sinai in Saudi Arabia, actually the arabs are keeping it off territory. But you can see it documented by the archeologists in the video called “The Search for the Real Mt Sinai” …..it reveals things that exactly add up to what is said in the Bible. It reveals specific things quoted in the Bible and found around and on the mountain and geographic area that can’t be found anywhere else.
God in the name of Jesus Christ answered my prayers in time of great need. He revealed to me answers I would’ve never realized, which probably saved my life, lest I was walking towards a nightmarish trap and didn’t know it.
Other times he leads and guides my path from danger.
Another time when I was young, my mother and I were driving on a long drive to visit family. Coming off an exit to enter onto another road/highway, the car lost complete control, it had previously rained so the car was slipping and swaying hard. There were no side railings to protect us, if you go off the road, the car will go off the cliff. We almost went off the cliff, but there was just one sign saying ‘Welcome to Albany’ and nothing else in sight, our car hit the pole of that sign, sped around and stopped. There is no way I will believe that, that was a coincidence. That was God and from the prayers for us to have a safe journey. This is my testimony and proof.
Religion is very complicating though, God only answers prayers if he sees it fit to. Also, someone needs to be a follower, because Christ said I will turn my face on those that turn their face on me. But, none the less all people on earth whether a follower or not, still receive certain protection from God. And, one more thing my friend, God had given dominion over the earth to Adam and Eve, and when they sinned, they lost that power, thus it went into the hands of the ‘serpent’ the evil one. Therefore, we see misery and chaos in life. There is a certain legalisticness involved, since God has to keep his word, he can’t always jump into every situation, and somethings we have to accept. By being educated in the Bible, you won’t be as lost, you’ll have knowledge which will give you power on life. One thing we can count on, is the eternal life, by accepting Christ, we will be given eternal life in his kingdom where misery does not exist.
Think about it, how many good years do we have in this life? I’ll be generous and say 100. But my gosh, can you even fathom millions, billions, zillions of years, and still going never ending? If I were you, I would make an honest attempt to find the truth or faith, what do you have to lose anyway?
Actually to go to heaven, we first have to become *born again* of the spirit, a Christian that doesn’t go through this special prayer has not become one of God’s children and to enter into heaven.
As for other religions, Christ said “I am the way, the truth, and the life, No one comes to the father except through me” (John 14:6) He [Christ] is the bridge that gaps us to God because when Adam and Eve sinned, man was cut off from God. God had said that if they eat of the tree of knowledge of good and evil, they shall surely die, that was also intended to mean they will be cut off from him, spiritually. The will eventually die from this world and they have lost connection with him. {separation from God}
Therefore, in order to find our way back to him, somebody had to pay the penalty for this sin, the way parents punish children. It had to be done because God cannot go back on his word, Jesus was born into the world to receive the penalty in our place, so that we may have the option to take this gift [which is termed grace.]
Also, what about those other religions? Can you go to the grave of Mohammed, or Buddha, so forth,,,,will you not find their bones in their graves? But, can you go to a grave of Jesus, and find any bones? No, not Jesus, because he rose from the dead like he said he will. Jesus is the only one that put himself in a position of martyr and died for us. Which one of those other religions did a ‘prophet’ die for you? Jesus did all good for people, he perfomed miracles.
There can only be one road to the kingdom.
Some religions, that do very weird things like self pain infliction and show that they are not feeling any pain or leaving any mark, is really the work of the devil, because any false god that is being worshipped, is the devil without them knowing it, and that’s where they receive there power.
There are archeaologic finds all the time that show the existance of people and things from the Bible.
Also, you will hear true documentaries on TV, but also false documentaries saying the opposite and trying to contradict. This has also been said in the Bible that there will be false prophets and an anti-christ to deter and confuse you. The movie ‘Davinci Code’ is one of them. One of satan’s big tactics is to create confusion and doubt.
WHEN YOU PRAY TO GOD, YOU NEED TO SAY IN THE NAME OF CHRIST, SINCE LIKE BEFORE I MENTIONED HE IS THE BRIDGE TO GOD, THEREFORE, IT IS BETTER TO BRIDGE HIM IN OUR PRAYERS TOWARDS GOD SO THAT WE HAVE A BETTER CHANCE OF BEING HEARD. REASON – GOD CANNOT BE ASSOCIATED WITH SIN, ADAM AND EVE’S SIN FALL UPON US BECAUSE WE COME FROM THEIR TREE, BECOMING BORN AGAIN WASHES OUR SIN.
NOTE: GOD SPEAKS TO US THROUGH OUR CONSCIENCE, BUT BEWARE, THE EVIL SPIRIT CAN ALSO TRY TO MESSAGE OUR CONSCIENCE, SO WE NEED TO BE DISCERNING. USE WISDOM, IF SOMETHING DOESN’T SEEM RIGHT, IT MAY NOT BE. ALLOW YOUR CONSCIENCE MAYBE A DAY TO SEE IF YOU’RE STILL FEELING THE SAME MESSAGE, SOMETIMES JUMPING RIGHT IN MAY NOT BE PRUDENT, THAT’S WHY USE WISDOM, A FEELING OF ASSURANCE, AND A FEELING OF PEACE TO KNOW WE’RE RECEIVING GOD’S MESSAGE.
…your iniquities have separated you from your God; And your sins have hidden his face from you, So that he will not hear (Isaiah 59:2) That’s why we need Christ – our bridge.
Born again (John 3:1-4)
PS: It’s not always easy because as a true Christian, one goes through trials and tribulations, the evil one tries to snatch us away from God and so at times we may have difficulties, God allows us to go thru it a little bit so that we may come out strong and closer to him. It’s like when we go to school or anywhere that requires us to be tested at something, our parents allow us to take the test so that we pass and become stronger. They are behind us and supporting us. They will not forsake us.
Promoting ideas of peace, tolerance and the importance of caring for this world and all the living creatures on it is quite the deadly business here on YA. Account deleted!
It is a fight that we can not afford to take lightly anymore. So no holds barred. I can always start a new account!
I have the education, I have seen the data first hand, and yes, this is the very most important issue of our lifetime.
I refuse to sit down & shut up!
Who’s with me?
ive asked myself similar questions for a long time. it seems that christians do feel that no matter what they do, god is gonna fix it.
take global warming. while it is true that there are some christians involved in the fight to save our planet, globally the fights belongs to the non religious and the Buddhists. neither of those groups think some higher power is gonna fix all their mistakes.
as far as comments about people being alive when Jesus returns, it had better be soon then. unless god is gonna make a divine intervention and change global climate and reduce CO2 being produced, thus revealing “HIS” presence, then were sure to circle the drain within a few hundred years at best.
christians have never been much for accountability. all they have to do is pray for forgiveness and their sins wash away like so much mud. if you don’t believe this to be true about them, try probing a christian about a little known event called the Crusades, or the Salem witch trials. most will say that these people were misguided and didn’t represent the whole or the church, but in both of those cases, the perpetrators were sanctioned, and even commanded by the church to commit these attrocities.
my feelings on respecting christians beliefs stem exactly from the actions of christians past and present. why should I respect their religion when they seem to have given themselves the right to burn and slaughter anyone who doesn’t follow their particular interpretation of a musty old book written by men, but ” supposedly” inspired by a higher power?
as a final thought, i say to hell with the christians. if their not willing to fight for the little blue planet then they really don’t deserve to live on it. the rest of us will continue to fight, and me personally i hope the rapture comes soon, cause i quite frankly cant take the snobby fundies much longer.
I’m with you my friend. I will absolutely support any and all positive paths to a better world.
Dear Goddess, I stand with you and the others.
I feel like I am living in two places at once -an educated society that needs to be self monitoring and responsible –
and the freaking medieval dark ages, when I read something as in denial as what “truth and righteousness” wrote. Yes, if it ain’t in there it ain’t happenin. WHEW!!!!
Pray, sin, don’t sin, be forgiven, don’t forgive – whatever!!!
But when a position like that is taken that will destroy the planet for my son, all bets are off. I will not EVER let that pass – because we ALL have to be in on this one.
Ignorance is not bliss when we are loosing our precious home!
You put it nicely,Orion. I am inclined to roar.
This matters, beyond all thelogy or boarders.
If I may be forgiven a response when it was the point of view of pagans you requested …
If it is true that 5% of the world’s population uses 20% of its resources, then can we assume that at least some who are conspicuously consuming those resources with no regard for the global impact are NOT Christians, or pagans or atheists for that matter, but simply clueless and self-absorbed people? Wouldn’t you say it is all of these who need convincing, regardless of religious creed or lack thereof, rather than singling out Christians on the basis that they “feel that no matter what they do, god is gonna fix it”? (A position held, by the way, by a relative minority — globally speaking.)
Living responsibly on this planet — and caring about our impact on the environment — is no more the exclusive province of pagans than agreement with evolution is limited to just atheists, and yet the broad paint strokes continue to fall when it’s convenient. While everyone is busy pointing fingers at everyone else, the planet keeps turning on its axis and another day has gone by.
How about we each ask ourselves what we did with that day, aside from sounding off on the internet, and whether cutting down on resource-gobbling was a conscious thought? Pointing to a large group of people and saying “they’re the problem!” does little unless one is also committed to cleaning up one’s own back yard, so to speak.
Just as there is not enough evidence to convince me that there is a Bearded Sky Daddy sitting on a cloud, there is not enough evidence to prove to me that global warming is anything but an urban myth. I know I am not alone in this. Just twenty years ago, we were being warned of a coming Ice Age, in our lifetime. Now they are crying Global Warming. I even saw one report that said the coming Ice Age will cause global warming. this only proves to me that even the scientific circle has fundies of its own. It’s too bad that so many knee-jerk armchair reactionaries are falling for this. Just a bunch of hypocrites. Look at all the SUVs at that Live Earth concert. Look at how much of your scary carbon dioxide was released by performers and people traveling to this show. Do you think Al Gore rides a bicycle to work? Or Bono? Hypocrites.