There is a metaphysics to every medium. Each medium provides a framework for determining what is real and not-real…for what is worth knowing and not-knowing…and for how we learn. Video Rating: 4 / 5
@MrSmartMuslim Thanks for your comment. I know what you mean, I’ve heard it from students. No reason to be depressed — in the same way that a muscle that loses tone can regain strength by exercise, reading and reading deeply can help strengthen and reinforce the neural pathways that support critical, propositional thought.
Please feel free to spread the word and tell others about this video.
u know drfallon 🙁 i’ve spoiled my 4-5 years for learning nothing and being smart in passing the exams only -(. I hardly read abook , presentations (specially visual presentations) attract me alot :-/. Seriously depressed for what i did in my late teens and early 2-‘s .. thanks for the vid 😐
The words went by too fast, I had to keep pausing.
When today’s electronic media saturated kids grow up, they’ll be creating and participating in a more and more non-literate “presentational” world. Education will continue to lose its structure for a new model of learning to emerge. There are already several examples of “sustained propositional thought” on the web. Why should we limit this? A paradigm shift is upon us and you’re swimming upstream.
I agree. There’s plenty of space to argue. Speak to anyone who spends 50+% of their time online (as a lot of people do these days) and you’ll note that they read a hell of a lot of material. How ‘good’ that material is is up for debate, but in many fields it is very technical and challenging material. It is nothing like what we have had in the past. You have to remind yourself that communication is about exchange of meaningful information, it’s not just the status quo.
I wish more people would see this video, or at least understand the facts. Our generation of students is completely different from any other. We had TV. We had the Internet. We had everything else to take us away from books in our childhood. Maybe too much is expected of us….maybe too little….maybe not the right stuff.
This was no accident. The people are being dumbed down. Far too few really think for themselves, further more, placing the POWER into fewer hands. I don’t wanna see how this will play out in the future.
In order to have an efficient policy-making class and a sub-class beneath it, you’ve got to remove the power of most people to make anything out of available information.
This was the plan. To keep most of the children in the general population from reading for the first six or seven years of their lives.
Now, the Prussian system of reading was originally a system whereby whole sentences (and thus whole integrated concepts) were memorized, rather than whole words.
I’m gonna start redundantly
I think the video is onesided, I dont say this because I think that the 200 seat classroom is a bad system, or because I think teachers should adapt to students habits, I say it because it has an intention to make a rebuttal, just to make it (at least that was my impression). I don’t agree with the agressive affirmation you make when simply saying “they are wrong” it basically says “no space to argue”. Technology alone can’t save us, but the systems ARE outdated.
Hi Peter,
Just watched this again and find many great insights. I hope you do not think that my video was suggesting that technology could save us. On the contrary, I put the words “some have suggested that technology alone can save us” at the end as a way of noting that technology will NOT save us (that’s why it was followed by the “I Facebook through my classes” note). I do think we must recognize the possible potentials (as well as the pitfalls) of this new media environment though.
If you’ll permit me, I think you’re confusing content with pedagogy, two different dimensions of epistemology. What we learn is important, yes, and I am certainly not suggesting that we learn a curriculum that is meaningful only to the past. But how we learn is important too — perhaps more important than any particular curriculum. And recent studies indicate that we best achieve critical thought through propositional codes like writing and reading.
Although I see your point…I can’t help but feel that you are facing this issue from only one side, and not bothering to view it from the other as well. School is in an age of the 1800s and before, as you mentioned, however that does not mean the students and teachers have to teach to that era. If both the students and teachers decide to move in a different direction that would help the students learn, it would end up benefiting everyone…whether or not the learning involved technology or not
And I thought the video that was being responded to was inspiring. This was very refreshing to watch. I was struggling to find just what was wrong with the school system. But it wasn’t the schools at all. It was technology.
Very good video. It’s almost too obvious technology played a part in the education argument.
Thanks for sharing this rebuttal. As a high school English teacher, I knew that there was something missing from the 21st Century Learning argument. You have exposed the gaps and given this phenomenon a name. There is a big push in the public schools right now to accomodate the 21st Century thinker, but not a great deal of planning to counteract the problems associated with representational thought (I hope I don’t have that backwards).
This is an excellent response. As a high school teacher, I am frequently bombarded with talk of new 2.0 students with the implicit message being schools must adapt to students’ habits. My students struggle to read books and write organized pieces … and I do believe somehow facebook and email and texting have lead to an increasingly social form of literacy students embrace/become addicted to at the cost of propositional literacy.
Yeah. They are rather specialized terms. I learned about them in NYU’s Media Ecology program. I explain them in my next book, The Metaphysics of Media.
I though it was an interesting rebuttal but since I don’t know what “propositional” and “representational” thought means, it was hard to follow the argument. It would be useful to define those terms. Also, on a few occasions the text went by too fast and I missed the statement. Thanks for doing this.
@MrSmartMuslim Thanks for your comment. I know what you mean, I’ve heard it from students. No reason to be depressed — in the same way that a muscle that loses tone can regain strength by exercise, reading and reading deeply can help strengthen and reinforce the neural pathways that support critical, propositional thought.
Please feel free to spread the word and tell others about this video.
u know drfallon 🙁 i’ve spoiled my 4-5 years for learning nothing and being smart in passing the exams only -(. I hardly read abook , presentations (specially visual presentations) attract me alot :-/. Seriously depressed for what i did in my late teens and early 2-‘s .. thanks for the vid 😐
very nice.
The words went by too fast, I had to keep pausing.
When today’s electronic media saturated kids grow up, they’ll be creating and participating in a more and more non-literate “presentational” world. Education will continue to lose its structure for a new model of learning to emerge. There are already several examples of “sustained propositional thought” on the web. Why should we limit this? A paradigm shift is upon us and you’re swimming upstream.
I kid, I kid. Thanks for sharing.
Yeah…that’s the paradox of the postmodern age. But you have to reach people where you find them, right?
awesome vid. Although, if I didnt spend so much time on the webs, i wouldnt have seen this…
I agree. There’s plenty of space to argue. Speak to anyone who spends 50+% of their time online (as a lot of people do these days) and you’ll note that they read a hell of a lot of material. How ‘good’ that material is is up for debate, but in many fields it is very technical and challenging material. It is nothing like what we have had in the past. You have to remind yourself that communication is about exchange of meaningful information, it’s not just the status quo.
Feel free to send it to anyone you think might be interested. Feel free to download it and show it. I’d like to open this up to discussion.
I wish more people would see this video, or at least understand the facts. Our generation of students is completely different from any other. We had TV. We had the Internet. We had everything else to take us away from books in our childhood. Maybe too much is expected of us….maybe too little….maybe not the right stuff.
Excellent!
I do wonder though, can environments mimic their own counter? It seems at times they do.
This was no accident. The people are being dumbed down. Far too few really think for themselves, further more, placing the POWER into fewer hands. I don’t wanna see how this will play out in the future.
In order to have an efficient policy-making class and a sub-class beneath it, you’ve got to remove the power of most people to make anything out of available information.
This was the plan. To keep most of the children in the general population from reading for the first six or seven years of their lives.
Now, the Prussian system of reading was originally a system whereby whole sentences (and thus whole integrated concepts) were memorized, rather than whole words.
I’m gonna start redundantly
I think the video is onesided, I dont say this because I think that the 200 seat classroom is a bad system, or because I think teachers should adapt to students habits, I say it because it has an intention to make a rebuttal, just to make it (at least that was my impression). I don’t agree with the agressive affirmation you make when simply saying “they are wrong” it basically says “no space to argue”. Technology alone can’t save us, but the systems ARE outdated.
Interesting approach to that video.
Hi Peter,
Just watched this again and find many great insights. I hope you do not think that my video was suggesting that technology could save us. On the contrary, I put the words “some have suggested that technology alone can save us” at the end as a way of noting that technology will NOT save us (that’s why it was followed by the “I Facebook through my classes” note). I do think we must recognize the possible potentials (as well as the pitfalls) of this new media environment though.
🙂 It will be interesting to see how this will be received through this medium.
If you’ll permit me, I think you’re confusing content with pedagogy, two different dimensions of epistemology. What we learn is important, yes, and I am certainly not suggesting that we learn a curriculum that is meaningful only to the past. But how we learn is important too — perhaps more important than any particular curriculum. And recent studies indicate that we best achieve critical thought through propositional codes like writing and reading.
Although I see your point…I can’t help but feel that you are facing this issue from only one side, and not bothering to view it from the other as well. School is in an age of the 1800s and before, as you mentioned, however that does not mean the students and teachers have to teach to that era. If both the students and teachers decide to move in a different direction that would help the students learn, it would end up benefiting everyone…whether or not the learning involved technology or not
And I thought the video that was being responded to was inspiring. This was very refreshing to watch. I was struggling to find just what was wrong with the school system. But it wasn’t the schools at all. It was technology.
Very good video. It’s almost too obvious technology played a part in the education argument.
Thanks for sharing this rebuttal. As a high school English teacher, I knew that there was something missing from the 21st Century Learning argument. You have exposed the gaps and given this phenomenon a name. There is a big push in the public schools right now to accomodate the 21st Century thinker, but not a great deal of planning to counteract the problems associated with representational thought (I hope I don’t have that backwards).
This is an excellent response. As a high school teacher, I am frequently bombarded with talk of new 2.0 students with the implicit message being schools must adapt to students’ habits. My students struggle to read books and write organized pieces … and I do believe somehow facebook and email and texting have lead to an increasingly social form of literacy students embrace/become addicted to at the cost of propositional literacy.
Great video.
Yeah. They are rather specialized terms. I learned about them in NYU’s Media Ecology program. I explain them in my next book, The Metaphysics of Media.
I though it was an interesting rebuttal but since I don’t know what “propositional” and “representational” thought means, it was hard to follow the argument. It would be useful to define those terms. Also, on a few occasions the text went by too fast and I missed the statement. Thanks for doing this.
Big words, white board, dress, blonde, black tights. OK ! this girl is HOT !!!
who cares what she is taking about.