Spiritual, But Not Religious? (with Father Thomas Keating)
PublishedJuly 11, 2010
Religious, but not Spiritual? Good News and Bad News from the World’s Largest Religion It takes a moment to reconcile oneself to the fact that the religious tradition of St. Francis and Mother Theresa is also the tradition of the Crusades and the Inquisition. Fr. Thomas Keating, considered one of the great contemplatives of our time, has spent a lifetime in the practice of Christianity, seeking and sharing its depths. The goal of the tradition, suggests Fr. Thomas in this week’s video, is transformation—but transformation into what? The answer depends on what stage of development you’re at. Beyond becoming a better person (though your family and friends may thank you profusely), beyond even becoming a saint, Fr. Thomas suggests that the goal of the mature Christian life is to become no thing. As with any developmental sequence, the subject of one stage becomes the object of the subject of the next—in this case, until absolute Subjectivity itself. The problem—and the challenge—lie in the fact that, among its 2 billion adherents, relatively few are aware of Christianity’s mystical tradition and contemplative path. Statements like “I’m spiritual, but not religious” actually come from a fairly evolved place, from which one rejects external aspects of the tradition, while still longing for its esoteric wisdom. Integral spirituality offers an entirely new perspective on this question. From this perspective, we can see that although the stories of the world’s religious … Video Rating: 4 / 5
BTW , I never said you should let science become your dogma or your God and its not what it is to me. If at some point there would be a reasonable evidence for a God, or ghosts or any kind of supernatural I would stop being an Atheist. But so far there is no evidence for such thing and no acceptable reason for me to believe it. Also, though I do love Astronomy and Cosmology , I don’t revere nature. Now DANCE !
50 Responses to Spiritual, But Not Religious? (with Father Thomas Keating)
1. To be human is to question, to wonder, to ask “Who am I, and why am I here?”
2. Throughout history, people come up with many theories – this gave rise to spirituality.
3. Some spiritualities became embraced by a culture, and were organized and codified – this gave rise to religion.
4. Horrible things we done in the name of religion, so people began to ask “What’s the point?” so atheism was born.
5. People end up where they started.
With the Enlightenment, religion lost its attachment to nationality, but rather than being a universal social attitude, it was now a personal feeling or emotion
@MrKylehass i agree but i wish people would try weaker strains of weed, like commercial weed, strong stuff can take u places u might not be too happy with later on in life
Check out my channel for powerful films about accelerating brain evolution, science and spirituality and nuclear war. Thanks.
“There is an unbounded main
Of thought, beyond our wildest dream,
Through which arrives in every brain,
Imbued with ego, a tiny stream.”
Check out my channel? for a powerful film on Science and Spirituality, based on Gopi Krishna’s last book, The Way to Self-Knowledge. Thanks.
Also in those times, very few had power and so it was comforting to think some greater power would avenge them for some transgression.
If you want to be awe inspired look at the world around. Look at a lion as it runs, see the beauty and power in the movements of its limbs. Or the beautiful works of art being made by MAN not some invisible sky god.
Karma is an invention of man to assure themselves that others will be punished. It is simillar to the invention of hell being used as a way to keep people in line. In a time where people believed earthquakes were the result of monster wrestling off in the distance, you can see how people were quick to believe in things such as hell and karma.
I agree that science has its own magic in a lot of ways and different structures in physics and biology are pieces of art so its quite easy to look at the factual world for awe inspiring things. I swear sometimes you are just saying what i’m thinking zomggetscriss
The fact is, in time people realised that religion should be apart from philosophy and psychology. Even if this schism happened, it happened in a time where only the elite of the society was literate and had rights, therefore most people still based their common sense as been told from the old book. Descartes: “If you would be a real seeker after truth, it is necessary that at least once in your life you doubt, as far as possible, all things.”
Karma is make believe just like all the religious universal justice. People bathe in assurance of the jungian god archetype, that’s why most civilizations had something to believe in. Truth be told, religion was one of the first methods to make a social hierarchy and that’s why it lasted so much, spirituality was just a side effect. At first, not only did religion enable them to be recognised as part of a certain society but it was also considered as wisdom, so peolpe imagined more principles.
lol do you even know what ‘spirituality’ means!? you just ramble and use any excuse to quote your elementary school biology homework….bleached gypsy
‘atheist’ with a xmass tree and ankh, wishing happy valentines day ……gotta love YT lol…grow up!
again, another informative video….thanks for putting your thoughts and experiences into these videos so we can all benefit from them and open our eyes to ideas we otherwise never would have imagined 🙂
I love you, no really; that apple comment is epic. Epic! You’re amazing, I learn a tremendous amount from your videos. Thank you so much for making them and do keep it up. 🙂
Criss, I quite like all your movies, but I do have to add my voice to what others have said here: if you think “spirituality” is vampires, astrology, witchcraft, etc., then you’ve been misinformed. The latter are closer to superstition than to spirituality. Spirituality is about wondering whether there are other steps beyond what we have reached in the cognitive realm… which, as hypothesis go, is not a bad one.
So because one person chooses to believe in spirituali things for silly girly reasons means they all do?
Also I find the camera angle thing with the gestures used as a method of brainwashing or persuasion is a bit wrong since you’re supposed to be uncovering the truth by fact only… it’s almost like yelling louder than someone else…
It’s really pretty simple:
1. To be human is to question, to wonder, to ask “Who am I, and why am I here?”
2. Throughout history, people come up with many theories – this gave rise to spirituality.
3. Some spiritualities became embraced by a culture, and were organized and codified – this gave rise to religion.
4. Horrible things we done in the name of religion, so people began to ask “What’s the point?” so atheism was born.
5. People end up where they started.
With the Enlightenment, religion lost its attachment to nationality, but rather than being a universal social attitude, it was now a personal feeling or emotion
@MrKylehass i agree but i wish people would try weaker strains of weed, like commercial weed, strong stuff can take u places u might not be too happy with later on in life
hahahaha, stupid cat
The ankh of fire, of spirit, the origin eh. Forget Religious dogma, as always in history, there is the spiritual dogma of the divine self.
Check out my channel for powerful films about accelerating brain evolution, science and spirituality and nuclear war. Thanks.
“There is an unbounded main
Of thought, beyond our wildest dream,
Through which arrives in every brain,
Imbued with ego, a tiny stream.”
Check out my channel? for a powerful film on Science and Spirituality, based on Gopi Krishna’s last book, The Way to Self-Knowledge. Thanks.
Also in those times, very few had power and so it was comforting to think some greater power would avenge them for some transgression.
If you want to be awe inspired look at the world around. Look at a lion as it runs, see the beauty and power in the movements of its limbs. Or the beautiful works of art being made by MAN not some invisible sky god.
Karma is an invention of man to assure themselves that others will be punished. It is simillar to the invention of hell being used as a way to keep people in line. In a time where people believed earthquakes were the result of monster wrestling off in the distance, you can see how people were quick to believe in things such as hell and karma.
I agree that science has its own magic in a lot of ways and different structures in physics and biology are pieces of art so its quite easy to look at the factual world for awe inspiring things. I swear sometimes you are just saying what i’m thinking zomggetscriss
The fact is, in time people realised that religion should be apart from philosophy and psychology. Even if this schism happened, it happened in a time where only the elite of the society was literate and had rights, therefore most people still based their common sense as been told from the old book. Descartes: “If you would be a real seeker after truth, it is necessary that at least once in your life you doubt, as far as possible, all things.”
Karma is make believe just like all the religious universal justice. People bathe in assurance of the jungian god archetype, that’s why most civilizations had something to believe in. Truth be told, religion was one of the first methods to make a social hierarchy and that’s why it lasted so much, spirituality was just a side effect. At first, not only did religion enable them to be recognised as part of a certain society but it was also considered as wisdom, so peolpe imagined more principles.
the cat……its moving….oh goodness
@jazsan222 whats the difference ? they both do magicks, which is clearly prohibiten by the Designer of the Universe
@MultiPropagandaPanda you are so fucking stupid witches don’t wear ankh
wonderful!
lol do you even know what ‘spirituality’ means!? you just ramble and use any excuse to quote your elementary school biology homework….bleached gypsy
‘atheist’ with a xmass tree and ankh, wishing happy valentines day ……gotta love YT lol…grow up!
spirituality is NOT bad, and not dangerous.
However, blind faith and religion is…it’s really as simple as that
again, another informative video….thanks for putting your thoughts and experiences into these videos so we can all benefit from them and open our eyes to ideas we otherwise never would have imagined 🙂
Spirituality + Dogma = Religion; Meditation + Dogma = Prayer; Appreciation + Dogma = Worship. Be Dogma Free.
mi ar placea mult sa te ntalnesc, stii…..
I love you, no really; that apple comment is epic. Epic! You’re amazing, I learn a tremendous amount from your videos. Thank you so much for making them and do keep it up. 🙂
I wish for you a good day and send Love your way
Hugs from the heart
Rab
Shes not atheist, shes a witch. Just look at her necklace, ankh of chakrah.
Criss, I quite like all your movies, but I do have to add my voice to what others have said here: if you think “spirituality” is vampires, astrology, witchcraft, etc., then you’ve been misinformed. The latter are closer to superstition than to spirituality. Spirituality is about wondering whether there are other steps beyond what we have reached in the cognitive realm… which, as hypothesis go, is not a bad one.
GET IN THE BAG GYPSY !!! Jk jk jk!!!
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So because one person chooses to believe in spirituali things for silly girly reasons means they all do?
Also I find the camera angle thing with the gestures used as a method of brainwashing or persuasion is a bit wrong since you’re supposed to be uncovering the truth by fact only… it’s almost like yelling louder than someone else…